It’s a fine day to pick apart an argument, wouldn’t you agree?
I’m glad that my wife invited me onto her blog to do just that! I’m the husband of one (and she’s a good writer by the way, in addition to her other talents, if I might brag on her a little), and father of five who lives on the periphery of this fine forum.
Well, before I wear out my welcome with an overlong introduction, let’s jump right in.
There is such a thing as a bad book.
In a world full of good books – books well-crafted, time-tested, examined and approved by people alive or dead whose judgment we trust – Guinever and I have decided not to waste time or money on bad books (or even mediocre ones, if possible) for our children.
We have only so much time and money. Why settle for less than knocking around the barnyard with Freddy the Pig?
In panning The Case of the Kidnapped Candy, part of the Jigsaw Jones mystery series, Guinever contributed to an online network of conversation, based on values derived from Scripture, that helps many people use their resources wisely.
Judging by some of the responses to her post, you might think she were pouring the gasoline at a book-burning. In the comments, several professional educators have tried to pull Jigsaw Jones from the flames, apparently aghast that anyone would refuse a book to a child.
(Diagnostic question: Would you give a child Madonna’s Sex book? No? Good – then the debate is not about whether one would keep a book from a child. The debate is about WHICH book – and by what standard?)
One of these comments follows. Note the personal attack. Observe the indignation over someone deciding not to give her own child a book, based on her own family’s standards. (Read the original post carefully – never once did Guinever tell someone else what to do.)
It is tempting to view this response as typical of what our tax dollars support in the public education system, but let’s be charitable – perhaps the commenter just had a bad day.
Either way, this piece of work merits close attention:
THE COMMENT BEGINS: I have a masters in teaching, a degree in speech pathology, and am a Nationally Certified Teacher. Honestly, I was shocked at your assessment of the Jigsaw Jones series. His attitude helps spark conversation among students. You could ask your child if you believe Jigsaw is being disrespectful. If so, how could he change his “tone” in order to represent himself in a more respectful way.
REPLY: Yes – we could spend our time having a conversation about Jigsaw Jones, unless we were sure that there were a thousand better ways of teaching and learning this lesson. We could, unless we were sure that our time would be better spent working on Latin, or learning math, or reading The Lord of the Rings aloud, or lighting the Advent candles, or playing catch in the yard, or doing just about anything other than spending time on a children’s book that is, at best, below average in content and composition.
And let us mention only in passing the appalling prospect that classroom time somewhere, anywhere, is being invested in Jigsaw Jones. I am shocked! Shocked, I say!
My kids have also been read to since they were infants – that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that this is a series that entertains and encourages many kids to read.
I believe this begins a response to something Guinever wrote in a comment from a “concerned librarian.”
Some may argue that allowing children access to mythology might make them question the existence of God and Jesus. A child might ascertain that certain individuals were at one time devout to many gods and goddesses without having physical proof that they existed. We now call them “myths”. Children may then automatically question our God and wonder if He will also be considered a “myth” in the future. I, of course, would never deny students access to the genre of mythology. It sparks conversation, is entertaining, and holds valuable historical information (Think Pompeii and Mount Vesuvius).
Some may argue this. We don’t. As Guinever noted in the aforementioned response to “concerned librarian,” we enjoy reading mythology at our house. Our 8-year-old son has pretty much worn out his copy of Usborne Books’ Greek Myths. We have used the myths to teach our children the difference between false gods and the true and living God.
It’s possible our commenter is missing the point here. The problem with Jigsaw Jones is not that it presents ideas with which we disagree. The problem is that the book pooh-poohs theft and employs substandard dialogue. We are a long, long way from the Greek myths, in both historical and entertainment value.
And now for the not-so-grand finale:
I honestly think you are being judgmental, and should be careful about what you recommend or condemn. I can’t even begin to tell you how many “home-schooled” children or those from strict Christian schools have come to my classroom far behind with limited social skills. Be careful – you come off as very judgmental and pious.
At last it lands on the table – the “social skills” card – the grand, unanswerable argument against homeschooling!
Let’s follow the line of thought here – if it is a line – it’s more of a zig-zag, actually – but let’s try to follow it.
You decide not to give a book to your own child, in your own home, because said book fails to meet your literary and moral standards. You write about this. Therefore, you are being “judgmental.” This is obviously very, very bad.
So bad that it could lead to – limiting your children’s social skills! After all, everyone knows that sending a child to public school results in superior social skills. It is an irrefutable argument!
I can’t even begin to tell you how many public-school kids I’ve met who could barely hold up their end of a conversation or look me in the eye.
I can’t even begin to tell you how many homeschooled kids I’ve met who have been just the opposite – bright, engaged, articulate.
I found the comment’s sentence structure unclear, but it is possible that the commenter is also saying that in her experience, home-schooling puts kids behind public-schooled children academically. If so, the commenter’s experience is far from typical, as homeschoolers’ achievement levels typically equal or exceed those of their public-schooled counterparts.
I heartily agree with the commenter that we should be careful about what, and whom, we recommend and condemn.
For example, it might be unwise to condemn those who make reasonable decisions about bad books, for their own children, in their own homes — after all, that would be judgmental and pious!
On the other hand, we lose nothing, and stand to gain much, when we condemn raging mediocrities like Jigsaw Jones.
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Guinever here:
I’d really like to put this whole Jigsaw thing to rest, but the only way that will happen is if I delete my original post and then the later one, which I’m not going to do. When I read the latest comment to my husband, he said that’s a great one to pick apart.
I’m done responding, finished trying to explain myself , so I asked him if he would like to do it, and he jumped at the chance. As for Jigsaw on my blog, I promise this is the last time. I just refuse to do it anymore. I’ll spend time talking about books our family loves instead.

December 22, 2007 at 6:23 pm |
Bravo Todd & Guinever. I’m so tired of people demanding that we be non-judgmental! This is the same type of thinking that demands we not deem one culture superior to another, when clearly there are some cultures that are, in fact, bad. Stick to your guns.
December 26, 2007 at 2:36 pm |
I was going to write something else but first I need to say amen to what Alisa said above. Have you ever noticed that when someone is telling you not to be judgmental that they don’t notice that they are being judgmental? Funny how that is.
And yes, Guinever, (and Todd whom I don’t know but who must be a wonderful person if he is married to Guinever), there are so many books and so little time so why waste your time on twaddle? And if someone thinks I am blindly following you without checking things out for myself, they are wrong. I am following your advice based upon knowing what a wonderful person you are.
I only found this blog thread today but I will say it has given me one more thing to be thankful for — that my children are home with me and not under the tutelage of some librarian or teacher who would never say that some books aren’t worth reading. I was over 40 before I realized that just because I start a book, it doesn’t mean that I have to finish it.
As for the social skills of homeschooled children, I give you this snapshot: My SIL recently helped us out by baby-sitting for a night. Afterwards, she asked if she could take them all out to lunch individually because they are all so interesting to talk to. For those of you who don’t know me, the kids she was talking about are 10, 7 and almost 7. She also told me that her privately schooled kids have never had such an interest in their studies.
December 26, 2007 at 10:41 pm |
I personally have enjoyed reading the posts and comments on “the Great Jigsaw Debate”. The point you made, Todd, about the fact that classroom time, not to mention tax dollars, are being spent on material like this is a fine argument for home schooling by itself. At least you know that the little people entrusted to you are learning solid black and white values as opposed to mamby-pamby that’s kinda wrong but kinda ok grey area values. I applaud you both for being discerning parents and for being, how shall I say it…judgemental about what you allow your children to absorb.
You’re probably right about letting this one rest. After all, you aren’t responsible for the children God gave everyone else, just the ones He gave you. You have, however, given me and several others something to chew on. Thanks.
p.s. please give my niece and nephews a squeeze from uncle nate
January 10, 2008 at 2:34 pm |
I was just reading “Ordinary Children, Extraordinary Teachers” by Marva Collins and read this quote which I felt applied to this whole discussion.
“Everything a teacher does affects children. That’s why you, as a teacher, must be aware of what resources are available, and your must know the moralities of what children read, the actual lessons of life you want them to take into the world.”
-Marva Collins (page 14)
Any teacher or librarian who does not know who Marva Collins is needs to go read her writings!
I’m reading her books for inspiration to set high expectations rather than settle for the mediocre.
Not only do I think teachers and librarians should put worthwhile books into the hands of children but parents need to know what their kids are reading.
I’ll admit that I allow some twaddle into my children’s minds. I try to not expose them to the type of twaddle or junk that is harmful in nature though, at least not intentionally! There are too many very good books to settle for a steady diet of the mediocre and there is no excuse or reason to put harmful or problematic books intentionally into children’s hands. Even if a child needs reading practice there are other books out there to read instead of this Jigsaw Jones book.
I’d rather have my kids do more reading of harmless comic books than read chapter books and juvenile fiction that is amoral or teaching them anything that will injure their souls or corrupt them in any other way. That’s my opinion and its how I work with my own children.
October 2, 2008 at 11:31 am |
I am a certified English teacher and I home school my four children. I think it is great that you are very careful as to what you allow your children to read. It amazes me that the person that said you were coming off as judgmental, was in fact judgmental herself. As a parents, it is our job to protect and teach our children according to the convictions that God has given us. Quite honestly, I don’t care if someone has a Phd. in education, and has a gazillion degrees, no one knows what is best for your kids except you! Keep up the great work!
March 10, 2009 at 4:04 pm |
This is in response to the first response you received – hear, hear! I say, to heck with everyone else who doesn’t play by my rules – you know?? I do not nor will I allow my children to grow from other people’s cultures or experiences. I hope that they eventually won’t have their own opinion and thoughts because I will have to shun them from the family as well. Our way or the highway – tis true tis true – Bravo indeed!
April 17, 2009 at 8:08 pm |
Thank you so much for your post on the Jigsaw Jones Mystery book. I go to the internet often concerning books and movies before I allow my children to read or watch. I personally appreciate someone sharing their opinion. My kindergartener brought this book home from his school library and I wanted to see some other people’s opinion of the book. I am going to read this particular one myself before I okay him to read it. In this world, if we don’t censor for our children and stand for something our kids are going to be the ones taking the fall. Thanks so much for standing up for what you believe. Its refreshing to see that some people will still stand firm in Christian ethics!